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Li was institutionalized sometime before gaining his citizenship after being found by officers "following the sun", something he claimed God told him to do. I believe he needs to be in an institution that addresses those needs. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. Vincent Weiguang "Vince" Li is a Chinese-Canadian man who, on July 30, 2008, brutally killed and cannibalized a 22-year old Canadian man Timothy Richard "Tim" McLean, Jr.. After being apprehended following a 1-day stand-off, Li was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent six years in a mental hospital before being released in 2015. Then Li stood. July 30, 2018 marks 10 years since the infamous Greyhound bus attack in Manitoba, where one passenger was killed. Then Tim leaned back against the window with his headphones on and drifted off to sleep. Li might be a small player in the world of murders but hes not unusual. I also served as a marksman (sniper) on SAS-trained Emergency Response Teams, so Ive got a bit of experience around life and death. Then he went back to work. DID THREE PRISONERS REALLY SURVIVE THEIR ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ? He is seems to be still in shock after what he has witnessed. Helunged it to sleeping Tims neck. They took Li to a secure hospital. There is no actual man in a mask, of course (if there was, there might be grounds for a duress defence a separate issue); rather "the man in a mask" is a euphemism for a mental illness that has you convinced you must hurt others, usually to stay alive. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT101, Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, leaves the Law Courts building in Winnipeg, after his annual criminal code review board hearing, on Monday, February 6, 2017. But Tims family had no input. Police and emergency responders arrived in mass. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT104, Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, leaves the Law Courts building in Winnipeg, after his annual criminal code review board hearing, on Monday, February 6, 2017. Ratheras shocked, gasping witnesses describedLi robotically plunged the blade into Tims shoulders, neck and chest. It was their mandate. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li, a stranger who was sitting beside him, suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. I'm trying to come up with any reasonable argument that justifies any blame to go to Greyhound. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. WINNIPEG Vince Li says he understands why people are still afraid of him. I don't think Vince Li can be trusted to take his medication.". Hes not accountable for his crime in any way. But nothing was done for Tim McLeans family or the traumatized people who watched Vince Li butcher Tim. INTERCONNECT FINDING YOUR PLACE, PURPOSE AND MEANING IN THE UNIVERSE. IS SCIENTOLOGY A CRAZY CULT AND BIG FAT GLOBAL SCAM? When the criminal court system washed their hands of Vince Li, the mental health system took over. Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Weiguang Li, killed 22-year-old Tim McLean after hearing what he thought was "the voice of God". August 5, 2008. It's sad that people forget that the person who did this have family that are innocent of the situation. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. Part Norman Bates. On July 29, 2008, Li boarded a bus heading for Winnipeg and arrived in Erickson. When he killed Tim McLean, he stabbed him in the neck and chest with a large hunting knife. The Guy On The Greyhound Bus was Vince Weiguang Li, a 40-year-old Chinese immigrant to Canada who left Edmonton, Alberta eastbound for Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. From our newsroom to your inbox at noon, the latest headlines, stories, opinion and photos from the Toronto Sun. In Li's case, according to the ManitobaCriminal Code Review Board, on the advice of Li's psychiatrist and other mental health specialists, his man in the mask is gone for now. To many, it won't seem "right" that someone has to check in with the legal system forever just because he or she suffers from an illness and committed a crime, but at the same time, it's arguably worse to assume that everything is fine, to shrug off whatever act landed the individual in the justicesystem in the first place, and to blindly trust that he or she won't decide one day that medication is no longer needed. WAS MARILYN MONROES DEATH ACTUALLY A HOMICIDE? The Vince LiTim McLean case is no exception. He says he remembers what happened on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg during that midsummer's nightmare in 2008. Hes crazy. And last week, after years of earning back small freedoms such as supervised day trips and unescorted outings, Li was granted an absolute discharge. Initially, he was not allowed outside, but over the years he has gained more freedom. Like, how could someone kill and dismember a stranger on a bus be in their right mind? A Saskatchewan official says a beheading on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba 10 years ago was the beginning of a steep decline in bus ridership in his province. Not only did he have the knifehe also had plastic bags to store separated itemspackaging pieces for some future purpose. But it got even worse. Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric treatment, and his team of doctors and mental health workers have stated that he is a model patient. Bus passengers were severely traumatized. Now, Im an international best-selling crime writer, deadly blogger & film content producer. WAS ALBERT DESALVO REALLY THE BOSTON STRANGLER? No matter what his mental state was, that showed planning and premeditation. Er um what Rona said. This is the same line of reasoning that would protect you if you broke the law while sleepwalking. Try to imagine what Li went through when he woke up from his psychotic episode, when he realized that the reality he was operating under wasnt true. Their mandate is to recover someone, not to punish or deter them. Li'sschizophrenia was undiagnosedat the time of the killing. The killer was released from the high-security mental health facility in 2017. She's not entirely alone. The police recovered most of McLean's remains, some of which were later found in Li's pockets. 2023 Toronto Sun, a division of Postmedia Network Inc. All rights reserved. The aisle seat beside him was vacant. While in the hospital, Li was sued by several of the bus's passengers and that had been present during the attack, as well as McLean's family members. Li then moved to Edmonton without his wife (who later joined him) and he acquired several other jobs. Ambrose is smart enough to know that Li is not actually a criminalbut a little too politically minded, apparently, to care. University of Winnipeg and downtown community newspaper. DEFUND (ELEMENTS) OF THE POLICE BUT LET COPS BE COPS, BESIDE THE ROAD NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME SERIES BOOK #4, THE TRUE STORY ABOUT WHO REALLY STOLE JFKS BRAIN, WHY IT TAKES SO LONG TO MAKE A CORONAVIRUS VACCINE, WHY CASEY ANTHONY GOT AWAY WITH MURDERING HER DAUGHTER, FROM THE SHADOWS NEW CRIME BOOK RELEASE FROM GARRY RODGERS. How in the world he came up with that figure is beyond me. His own brain chemistry was failing him. 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But you simply cant kill a deranged man in this situation. The Greyhound made a rest stop about a half hour earlier. I'm looking forward to putting more of my content into audio and developing new, original podcasts on mental health topics. The Schizophrenia Society of Canada released an interview with Vince Li on Tuesday, saying Li's story needs to be told to "add a human touch to a horrible tragedy." The interview was. Vince Li spared Tim McLeans family a lengthy trial. 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By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. BROWN DEATH BOSTONS MONSTROUS MOLASSES MASSACRE. The flaw in the criminal legal (not justice) system is theres no respect for victims like Tim McLean and his family. He had gone off his meds. It wasnt only the dramatics. Pierre Bruno ha vinto il Guinness Sei Nazioni meta del turno per il terzo turno del Torneo 2023 per la sua meta d'intercetto contro l'Irlanda a Roma. Enter your email address below and get your FREE eBook IN THE ATTIC A Psychological Thriller Based on a True Crime Story. Article content. He could have never expected the reality that awaited him outside that Greyhound bus; he probably expected to be met as a hero. Women shrieked. Editorial: With no conditions, Vince Li is a threat. There is now no legal recourse if he stops taking his medication or seeing his psychiatrist, which is unconscionable for many of those affected by Li's actions, including McLean's family. In Canada, two elements are necessary to convict someone of murder: actus rea (the guilty act), and mens rea (the guilty mind). Tim McLean, who was returning home from work, boarded a Greyhound bus. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. They tried to negotiate with the crazy man holding a knife. In 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness for the death of Tim McLean, a 22-year-old carnival worker who was sitting next to him on a bus traveling near. Wouldnt it be funny if we started a restaurant. WHATS YOUR MYERS-BRIGGS PERSONALITY TYPE? Li was cuffed and it was over. He also cut off his ear, nose, and tongue. Everyone bailed off except for Li. No one in authority listened to what impact this brutal murder had on Tims family and friends, not to mention traumatized witnesses on the bus. Its important to understand the difference between Vince Li suffering from psychosis and Vince Li. And its just as important to understand the difference between Vince Li before July 30, 2008, who didnt understand his illness, and Vince Li now, who has all the reason in the world to understand, and treat, his illness. Not even God would pretend to be that precise. GLOSSOPHOBIA OVERCOME YOUR FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING, DEMYSTIFYING SHOW VS. 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Li claimed he was not criminally responsible due to mental illness and the court bought it without calling traumatized witnesses and family members. Some mental health advocates (and perhaps, their libertarian friends) would call it unjust to subject NCR offenders who have completed treatment and rehabilitation to any conditions. Presence of mind from the driver prevented Lis escape into the crowd. Real Criminals Referenced in Season Thirteen. Something to consider about killersthey can be very, very good actors. Judgment passed that Li was not criminally responsible for Tims murder due to psychosis caused by untreated schizophrenia. But the checks and balances that once existed for him (from a legal perspective, at least) disappeared the moment he was granted an absolute discharge. Baker sat next to 22-year-old. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. 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